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You Can Get There From Here (Gate Transport)

 
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Farrell



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:30 am    Post subject: You Can Get There From Here (Gate Transport) Reply with quote

With the recent events in the game, we'll need to start figuring out how to get to Utopia soon and to identify key issues and details that need to be either hammered out with the Utopians or provided for on our end.

We have time to figure this out, and will definitely be answering some of these questions as we discuss things more with the Utopians. There's no urgency to this thread, nor will we likely have answers to all of these questions due to GM/Utopian /Y.

What do we know?:

Arrow To get to Utopia requires going through three gates to get to the system. (One from Caprice to waypoint #1, a second to waypoint #2, and a third to Utopia itself.)

Arrow The CEF is firmly in control of the gates here at Caprice, including active patrols and minefields.

Arrow The CEF does thorough inspections of all incoming and outgoing ships to Utopia. The Utopians got around this by using cargo containers that blocked or spoofed CEF sensors; they apparently did not inspect the cargo in person. These containers would be big enough to fit a gear and packing material, but the gear's arms and legs would have to be detached.

Arrow Terra Nova only has two operational gateships at this time, and most of the space facilities are damaged or were destroyed in Operation Icarus.

Arrow Pathfinder cannot open gates on its own, and the technology is far too bulky and big to fit to her.

Arrow Utopia's spaceyard is still under refurbishment/reconstruction.

Arrow The Utopians were able to get to Caprice, but they were bringing equipment the CEF may have been expecting to see shipped, let alone is smaller than our gears. They also likely came with far fewer supplies and possibly fewer people.

Arrow The CEF is trying to bring skilled "willing" labor to the Utopia system.

Arrow There are Utopian shuttles on the ground at the spaceport.

Arrow The Utopians appear to have some good stealth technology.

Breaking the problem down:

1: We need to get off of Caprice without getting slagged or discovered.

2: Once in space, we have to get close to the Utopian gate without being slagged or discovered.

3: We need to somehow get the CEF to open the gate for us so we can go through, without being slagged or discovered.

4: We need to arrive and depart intermediary systems without being discovered and having the CEF open the gates for us the whole way.

5: Once at Utopia, we need to get to the planet and have a good place to hide.

Questions to ask the Utopians (aka Roland's Extended Family)

Arrow Is there a method to get to Utopia that allow us to bring/go in Pathfinder? Very important question to ask. If we can't bring Pathfinder, we need to also smuggle key supplies or be assured they can be provided on Utopia. We'll also be short technical help and support while away.

Arrow (Edited) Will we need to go into action immediately on reaching the Utopian system, or will reaching the planet not be an issue? We'll want to know if we need to go in guns blazing, and against who.

Arrow What supplies can we expect to be able to draw on while there? This is going to be vitally important in determining what to bring with us.

Arrow What do the Utopians expect us to do, specifically? Again, this may impact the supplies we bring and training we might focus on.

Arrow How long are we planning to stay/expected to stay?

Arrow Who controls the gateships along the way to Utopia?/Are they CEF ships or Utopian ships?

Arrow Can we arrange for a secure way to send and receive messages from Utopia to Gotah or some other Talon contact on Caprice? There will likely be a large volume of reports and such to send back after the first few weeks, information that would be extremely vital for Talon Command to get their hands on for planning future operations.

Arrow Does this invitation extend to the Liberati / Do the Liberati wish to send someone along? "We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately," is a famous quote from the American Revolutionary War, and holds true here. Creating a united front against the Earth is going to work much better than a handful of independent actions. Also, the Liberati are going to be more likely to be able to work with the Utopians, especially if the CEF continues to draw upon them for labor. The Liberati also have the manufacturing base, both in the Trench and soon in the Highlands to handle producing Utopian tech for use by the Anti-Earth Allies on Caprice.

Arrow Are we empowered to make a deal on behalf of Terra Nova/Talon HQ? If half of Utopia wants to ally with us against the CEF, are we prepared to take on the added responsibility of defeating the OTHER half of Utopia?

Arrow Are we suitably prepared to handle things if this turns out to be a major trap? Not likely, but possible.

Questions We Have Answers To:

Arrow Do you have a way to smuggle us to Utopia? The Utopians told us about the cargo containers they used to smuggle themselves here. This appears to be a viable option for getting to Utopia on foot or with gears IF we have a place to reassemble and can bring parts along. No word on how we could bring Pathfinder along.

Arrow Does the Utopian method allow us to bring our gears? Yes, if the gear's arms and legs are detached.

Arrow Are there any supplies we can bring that would help the Utopian resistance efforts? Withdrew this question because it seems like the Utopians would take this as an insult.

Immediately Evident Ways To Do This:

Arrow Mix ourselves in with Capricians being shippped for labor in Utopia by the CEF. This presents a wide variety of issues, such as not having any Talon-type equipment not easily concealable, having to get out of the group at the Utopian end, and having no access to gears or Pathfinder at Utopia. An alternative to this plan would be to sneak into the Vega Spaceport and stowaway on the Utopian shuttles.

Arrow Wait for the gate to open and woosh through at the last second. This is how we get home and works because we're only one gate from TN. However, Utopia is 3 gates away, and the odds of being undetected through all 3 are probably low if the CEF controls all 3 gates.

Arrow Smuggle ourselves and gears to Utopia on Utopian cargo ships. One concern here is that while the cargo container method worked coming off of Utopia, it might not be as viable coming from Caprice. It also doesn't let us bring Pathfinder along, which causes supply and maintenance issues.

Arrow Hijack a CEF transport vessel (a Tortoise IIRC) and travel in style. Problems here include large crew sizes (100+), and the fact that none of us the PCs know how to operate this kind of ship. If Pathfinder could be stowed onboard/docked during the trip, perhaps someone there would know how to do it. This still leaves the issue of CEF inspections, and the unpleasant topic of what to do with the crew.

Arrow Use our gears as makeshift gate coffins or have them land on a CEF ship about to go through the gate. This means we operate without Pathfinder at Utopia, and need to have a way to get to Utopia's sufrace once we're there. It also presents the challenge of "can a gear handle a gate trip on the outside of a ship" and "how long would the trip to Utopia last, and can our gears operate independently that long?" Also, would our gears be noticed by the CEF?
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Jester



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

#3 and #4 are the major problems.

There's zero point in going to Utopia without Gears. Less than zero point, actually. Without Gears, we're obvious non-locals that the Troy City folk would spend most of their time protecting. We'd be more of a hindrance to them than a help.

Therefore, whatever we do would require either Pathfinder, or a ship about the size of Pathfinder in which we could secure the goods we'd need for a fairly lengthy stay.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, we need to bring our own stuff. In addition, I suspect we might have to establish our own base. I doubt they'll have one pre-built for us.

It might be worthwhile to bring equipment that can be left behind as well, so the next time we come we can have a hidden stash of equipment, maybe even a hidden redoubt or base (not sure if that is standard Talon protocol anyways).

I do think that we need to head back to Terranova first. It would make sense to run this by BT HQ. After all they probably have no intel on the Utopian situation. They might want to pick Caelin's brain a bit, plus we could resupply and rearm (who knows what they got since you left). We can form a better plan from there I think.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're definitely going back to TN first. We'll check in there and ask if anyone's thought the idea of transiting multiple gates through.

Worst case, if nobody's thought it through, Gabriel will use his contacts to enlist a company or two of Northern Guard soldiers, plus a trained crew, we'll take the lot of them back to Caprice and we'll hijack a Tortoise. Wink Savant's already said the Northern soldiers soon slated to be permanently stationed in the Loki system would be ideal for such an attack.

So, it's definitely a solve-able problem, but it's also one that can wait a while.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a suggestion but could we have a "drone" or a team of BT map/record the gate activity in the Caprician system when we leave?

It might give us valuable data for when we try to make the multi-gate jump. We could gain access to the types of ships and the frequency of transit. Might help us get through.

On a side note: It seems so wierd thinking of Terranovans invading the Caprician system. If control of Caprice could be gained, the rest of the earth fleets in the other colonies could be starved out. Seems tactically awesome to me! Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's certainly a good idea, but largely impossible with the current situation. As long as TN stays uninvaded, there's two full CEF fleets in the Loki system full-time. We don't have anything like the resources to handle that.
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